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Post by helmutvii on Jul 30, 2020 3:37:07 GMT 14
I think that Higher Education will undergo a significant change over the next few years. With the closing of schools due to covid people are realizing that they can get a college degree for a lot less money than traditional on site school. University of Phoenix, and others paved the way. I feel that only those classes that require a presence, like a LAB will be the ones that survive. I hear that more an more Universities are laying off instruction and support staff.
I think this will have an impact on college athletics. Say good bye to minor sports. Cajun Field renovation aint gonna happen. College students will not be on campus and will not be going to athletic events while in school and probably won't go after they graduate.
What once was, is gone and never shall be again. All because of a little virus.
What say you?
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Post by angeleast on Jul 30, 2020 3:57:35 GMT 14
I think that Higher Education will undergo a significant change over the next few years. With the closing of schools due to covid people are realizing that they can get a college degree for a lot less money than traditional on site school. University of Phoenix, and others paved the way. I feel that only those classes that require a presence, like a LAB will be the ones that survive. I hear that more an more Universities are laying off instruction and support staff.
I think this will have an impact on college athletics. Say good bye to minor sports. Cajun Field renovation aint gonna happen. College students will not be on campus and will not be going to athletic events while in school and probably won't go after they graduate.
What once was, is gone and never shall be again. All because of a little virus.
What say you?
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Post by metrycajun on Jul 30, 2020 5:52:10 GMT 14
Education is too expensive. I think brick and mortar colleges can survive, but they need to change their business model. Trim down the number of administrators, focus on teaching students and make professors teach instead of endlessly chasing grant money.
I do agree college athletics has probably seen its peak and will be less important moving forward. As for the minor sports, I think they survive. D3 uses these sports to attract good students who also want to continue playing. I think D1 will decrease support but continue playing just to attract students.
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Post by beaucajun on Jul 30, 2020 6:08:25 GMT 14
I agree to a degree. I feel we need to get our students back on campus. About 3,000 students will be making their way back to student housing in a couple of weeks.
I haven’t heard any talk of layoffs at UL. In fact my wife was asked to find an additional instructor for their community health nursing rotation this semester.
Time for Cajun football.
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Post by Duggie35 on Jul 30, 2020 6:37:14 GMT 14
It's time to get back to doing real education in our schools (all levels). Get rid of all the useless degree programs currently being offered that don't do anything to help a student earn a living once they issue that useless sheepskin. In elementary and high schools, get rid of the ridiculous, no kid left behind programs and make students earn their grades. Set realistic standards, and if a student doesn't meet the standard they fail and repeat the course or grade until they can meet the standard. Get back to having honors and advanced classes for those students that are more advanced (I would not qualify), and stop holding the overachievers back, just so the under achievers don't get their feelings hurt! America was made great by hard working people (many without a formal education), not by lazy, unmotivated folks waiting for someone to simply give them a chicken to put in their pot while just sitting around on a log!
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Post by cajun90 on Jul 30, 2020 6:50:16 GMT 14
As kind of a sidenote to this. Last year Lafayette Parish apparently had 200-300 kids signed up for the online school. This year the number supposedly has topped 6500. Traditional classrooms across the board will never be the same. Given the massive failure of our public school systems that might not be a bad thing.
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Post by metrycajun on Jul 30, 2020 7:19:46 GMT 14
As kind of a sidenote to this. Last year Lafayette Parish apparently had 200-300 kids signed up for the online school. This year the number supposedly has topped 6500. Traditional classrooms across the board will never be the same. Given the massive failure of our public school systems that might not be a bad thing. I think this will be a negative, where the have's further separate from the have not's. Poor kids need school more than affluent kids. |
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Post by CajunExpress on Jul 30, 2020 8:30:28 GMT 14
Some ideas. The Wuhan was a catalyst to what we already saw happening. So maybe I’m not going all in towards crediting this Chinese virus.
I still believe that there’s elements of education that are not necessarily about getting a trade. Those elements certainly can be found outside the college experience, but less likely.
Networking? That’s still the big difference between the history, engineering, accounting, and dozens of other degrees gotten at UL and Harvard.
I agree that the basic undergraduate degrees are overpriced due to universities all wanting to be more. The cost of these research degrees should be borne by the general population not the undergraduates. That change alone would help the brick and mortar survive. A liberal education has value beyond a job, but we need to get the basics priced right.
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Post by cajun90 on Jul 30, 2020 13:09:41 GMT 14
As kind of a sidenote to this. Last year Lafayette Parish apparently had 200-300 kids signed up for the online school. This year the number supposedly has topped 6500. Traditional classrooms across the board will never be the same. Given the massive failure of our public school systems that might not be a bad thing. I think this will be a negative, where the have's further separate from the have not's. Poor kids need school more than affluent kids. I don't disagree with that. Scenario 1: The haves do online and provide resources for their kids above and beyond the online education. The have nots continue with traditional school and now have more resources at their disposal due to the reduced head count. Scenario 2: The have nots do online becuase they don't have to "deal" with school and no one at home cares. Reality is somewhere in between and some of those "have nots" might actually strive outside of a traditional classroom setting. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what any of us think. We were headed down this road many years ago and this just accelerated it. I had a neice who did her senior year of high school online. She is a junior at UL and thriving. To each their own. |
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Post by raisingcajun on Aug 5, 2020 3:18:56 GMT 14
I think this will be a negative, where the have's further separate from the have not's. Poor kids need school more than affluent kids. I don't disagree with that. Scenario 1: The haves do online and provide resources for their kids above and beyond the online education. The have nots continue with traditional school and now have more resources at their disposal due to the reduced head count. Scenario 2: The have nots do online becuase they don't have to "deal" with school and no one at home cares. Reality is somewhere in between and some of those "have nots" might actually strive outside of a traditional classroom setting. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what any of us think. We were headed down this road many years ago and this just accelerated it. I had a neice who did her senior year of high school online. She is a junior at UL and thriving. To each their own. I cannot disagree with your scenarios. The sad part is that our school system is totally unprepared for non-traditional schooling. In this day in age, its pretty sad how many teachers have no clue when it comes to technology. They are good at Facebook but that is about it. Our kids will suffer and our country will continue to decline. I truly believe now more than ever kids need social interaction. They already live in a fantasy world where they think communication with others is 90% SnapChat and Tik Tok. Bullying is no big deal because hiding behind a keyboard is their way of life. I guess I'm getting old. The direction we are going socially as a society is very disturbing. The days of pickup basketball and wiffle ball tournaments in backyards are all but over. |
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Post by cajun90 on Aug 5, 2020 8:35:13 GMT 14
I don't disagree with that. Scenario 1: The haves do online and provide resources for their kids above and beyond the online education. The have nots continue with traditional school and now have more resources at their disposal due to the reduced head count. Scenario 2: The have nots do online becuase they don't have to "deal" with school and no one at home cares. Reality is somewhere in between and some of those "have nots" might actually strive outside of a traditional classroom setting. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what any of us think. We were headed down this road many years ago and this just accelerated it. I had a neice who did her senior year of high school online. She is a junior at UL and thriving. To each their own. I cannot disagree with your scenarios. The sad part is that our school system is totally unprepared for non-traditional schooling. In this day in age, its pretty sad how many teachers have no clue when it comes to technology. They are good at Facebook but that is about it. Our kids will suffer and our country will continue to decline. I truly believe now more than ever kids need social interaction. They already live in a fantasy world where they think communication with others is 90% SnapChat and Tik Tok. Bullying is no big deal because hiding behind a keyboard is their way of life. I guess I'm getting old. The direction we are going socially as a society is very disturbing. The days of pickup basketball and wiffle ball tournaments in backyards are all but over. Not sure what you base your comment on about teachers not having a clue about technology. Huge amount of teachers in my family and understanding "technology" isn't an issue for them at all. The much bigger issue is the lack of implementation of said technology. That goes back to the investments the school systems are willing to make. In Lafayette Pairsh they don't have enough techs to keep the printers running. The WiFi systems are totally inadequate in many schools. The computers aren't maintained because of a lack of support. I could go on and on. However the teachers ( for the most part ) are more than capable and willing to implement more advanced technology in the classroom. One good thing that may come out of COVID is the technology investment just went into overdrive. |
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Post by raisingcajun on Aug 6, 2020 3:54:10 GMT 14
I cannot disagree with your scenarios. The sad part is that our school system is totally unprepared for non-traditional schooling. In this day in age, its pretty sad how many teachers have no clue when it comes to technology. They are good at Facebook but that is about it. Our kids will suffer and our country will continue to decline. I truly believe now more than ever kids need social interaction. They already live in a fantasy world where they think communication with others is 90% SnapChat and Tik Tok. Bullying is no big deal because hiding behind a keyboard is their way of life. I guess I'm getting old. The direction we are going socially as a society is very disturbing. The days of pickup basketball and wiffle ball tournaments in backyards are all but over. Not sure what you base your comment on about teachers not having a clue about technology. Huge amount of teachers in my family and understanding "technology" isn't an issue for them at all. The much bigger issue is the lack of implementation of said technology. That goes back to the investments the school systems are willing to make. In Lafayette Pairsh they don't have enough techs to keep the printers running. The WiFi systems are totally inadequate in many schools. The computers aren't maintained because of a lack of support. I could go on and on. However the teachers ( for the most part ) are more than capable and willing to implement more advanced technology in the classroom. One good thing that may come out of COVID is the technology investment just went into overdrive. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of teachers that are tech savvy. My wife is one of them. My basis is directly related to my kids school and my wife co-workers and colleages at other schools. I agree with all your comments about public schools. I think if we would look around, majority of public schools around the country are probably in similar situations as Lafayette Parish. |
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Post by RaginCajun77 on Aug 7, 2020 15:44:40 GMT 14
The biggest obstacle to earning a degree online is the price point. Often earning a degree online can cost more than attending brick and mortar colleges. Either way the rising fees and tuition are creating a lot of debt.
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