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Post by REBelWithoutaPause on Aug 4, 2020 6:36:11 GMT 14
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Post by cajunvic on Aug 4, 2020 6:36:26 GMT 14
You can bet your bottom dollar that I'm not trading in my gun for a shark. I’d trade one of my guns for a shark. They cool. From a guy that probably has a cabinet of guns and no sharks. Touche' |
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Post by REBelWithoutaPause on Aug 4, 2020 6:38:08 GMT 14
By your logic, no law should exist. The reason behind a law is not to prevent ALL crime because, of course, some will still happen. Its the social conditioning that is important. You can drive your car up to about 100 mph or so but I'm think you probably don't on a regular basis. You could run red lights, but you probably don't on a regular basis. We have laws against owning a grenade launcher for a reason. There is your answer, criminals will go to other states to get guns to commit crimes with bc they are criminals. The only people you are keeping guns from is the law abiding citizen who would only use it to protect themselves. So imagine that they could not just cross a state line for easier access to guns. Imagine if they had to jump through some more hoops to get that gun. |
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Post by cajunvic on Aug 4, 2020 6:39:15 GMT 14
There is your answer, criminals will go to other states to get guns to commit crimes with bc they are criminals. The only people you are keeping guns from is the law abiding citizen who would only use it to protect themselves. So imagine that they could not just cross a state line for easier access to guns. Imagine if they had to jump through some more hoops to get that gun. No hoop is too small for a criminal to get by. |
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Post by CajunT on Aug 4, 2020 6:39:45 GMT 14
A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. OTHER states with lax gun laws. This is not splitting the atom guys. Those guns were acquired illegally BECAUSE Illinois and Chicago in particular have tougher gun laws than Wisconsin and Indiana. This dude here😂 You're too smart to not understand that stricter gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. You cannot take away the ability of good people to defend themselves. End of story. Brought in from other states and being purchased legally are two entirely different matters. Not allowing legal gun ownership drives crimminals to others states to purchase weapons on the black market. This isn't rocket science either, it's a matter of supply and demand. BTW, I get my numbers from the FBI website. I haven't a clue which study you are sighting. |
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Post by cajuns36 on Aug 4, 2020 6:40:55 GMT 14
Schools and bars are gun free zones, murder is against the law...criminals don’t care about laws. The only people you take guns away from are law abiding citizens. You will create a black market for guns giving criminals another way to make money selling illegal guns.Drugs, Rape, robbery are all against the law, criminals do them anyway, so you want to take guns away from law abiding citizens and defund the police? To answer your question No, Grenade launchers and nuclear weapons don’t kill people either, people kill people. If you stand and watch a Grenade launcher it won’t don’t anything until a person touches it. It will just sit there, just like a gun will. By your logic, no law should exist. The reason behind a law is not to prevent ALL crime because, of course, some will still happen. Its the social conditioning that is important. You can drive your car up to about 100 mph or so but I'm think you probably don't on a regular basis. You could run red lights, but you probably don't on a regular basis. We have laws against owning a grenade launcher for a reason. I don’t bc I’m a law abiding citizen. Would you walk through an intersection without looking? Why not, I mean there are laws against running red lights so you should be fine. You can legally own a grenade launcher |
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Post by cajunvic on Aug 4, 2020 6:41:27 GMT 14
This dude here😂 You're too smart to not understand that stricter gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. You cannot take away the ability of good people to defend themselves. End of story. Brought in from other states and being purchased legally are two entirely different matters. Not allowing legal gun ownership drives crimminals to others states to purchase weapons on the black market. This isn't rocket science either, it's a matter of supply and demand. BTW, I get my numbers from the FBI website. I haven't a clue which study you are sighting. In most instances its something like bougaloo.com |
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Post by REBelWithoutaPause on Aug 4, 2020 6:41:40 GMT 14
You can bet your bottom dollar that I'm not trading in my gun for a shark. I’d trade one of my guns for a shark. They cool. Depends on what gun and what shark. Cannot imagine they make good pets and I have tried shark as a food and was totally unimpressed. I'm guessing if I walk into a school, bent on murder, I would not walk in empty-handed. If my intent is mass-murder, a shark would be better but a gun would be best. |
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Post by CajunT on Aug 4, 2020 6:41:46 GMT 14
A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. OTHER states with lax gun laws. This is not splitting the atom guys. Those guns were acquired illegally BECAUSE Illinois and Chicago in particular have tougher gun laws than Wisconsin and Indiana. This dude here😂 You're too smart to not understand that stricter gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. You cannot take away the ability of good people to defend themselves. End of story. Please define the right way, because much harm has been done in the name of good when is comes to policy making and legislation. |
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Post by CajunT on Aug 4, 2020 6:54:33 GMT 14
No questionable methodology from 1860 here, just straight facts. "Based on the 2016 Survey of Prison Inmates (SPI), about 1 in 5 (21%) of all state and federal prisoners reported that they had possessed or carried a firearm when they committed the offense for which they were serving time in prison (figure 1). More than 1 in 8 (13%) of all prisoners had used a firearm by showing, pointing, or discharging it during the offense for which they were imprisoned. Fewer than 1 in 50 (less than 2%) of all prisoners had obtained a firearm from a retail source and possessed, carried, or used it during the offense for which they were imprisoned. An estimated 287,400 prisoners had possessed a firearm during their offense. Among these, more than
half (56%) had either stolen it (6%), found it at the
scene of the crime (7%), or obtained it off the street
or from the underground market (43%). Most of the remainder (25%) had obtained it from a family member or friend, or as a gift. Seven percent had purchased it under their own name from a licensed firearm dealer. " Source and Use of Firearms Involved in Crimes: Survey of Prison Inmates, 2016 Prisoners Surveyed |
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Post by REBelWithoutaPause on Aug 4, 2020 7:02:15 GMT 14
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Post by REBelWithoutaPause on Aug 4, 2020 7:06:08 GMT 14
Guys, you cannot argue with facts and statistics. Stricter gun laws save lives. Period. It has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to own a gun.
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Post by cajunjudo on Aug 4, 2020 7:08:45 GMT 14
And yet, most crimes are committed with arms acquired illegally, which has nothing to do with the legal sales of firearms in neighboring states. Most crimminals acquire arms by theft, or the black market. No legislation has stopped it for decades. The only reasonable goal should be to incarcerate violent people and stop early release for them. The policy of not allowing gun ownership for law abiding citizens and sentence reduction for violent crimminals is counter productive and continues to leave a trail of bodies in it's path today. A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. OTHER states with lax gun laws. This is not splitting the atom guys. Those guns were acquired illegally BECAUSE Illinois and Chicago in particular have tougher gun laws than Wisconsin and Indiana. So, try using this logic.... If the other states have lax gun laws, then why don’t they have higher crime rates than Chicago? Oh, because it’s the people!! Now I get it said everyone but DevilWithoutACause 🤦♂️ |
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Post by CajunT on Aug 4, 2020 7:14:37 GMT 14
Guys, you cannot argue with facts and statistics. Stricter gun laws save lives. Period. It has nothing to do with the Constitutional right to own a gun. Got it, stricter gun laws save lives because I say so. The heck with factual stats. I'm learning something new from progressives every day.  |
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Post by REBelWithoutaPause on Aug 4, 2020 7:26:21 GMT 14
A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. OTHER states with lax gun laws. This is not splitting the atom guys. Those guns were acquired illegally BECAUSE Illinois and Chicago in particular have tougher gun laws than Wisconsin and Indiana. So, try using this logic.... If the other states have lax gun laws, then why don’t they have higher crime rates than Chicago? Oh, because it’s the people!! Now I get it said everyone but DevilWithoutACause 🤦♂️ You were so close, population density. |
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