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Post by coolcajun123 on Jul 18, 2020 1:45:41 GMT 14
So here’s another point of view: T’Joe is simply trying to rectify some terrible mistakes made in the past. He may not be perfect.......none of us are.....but his actions certainly do not make him a ‘Marxist.’ Until I hear, or can otherwise verify, some horrible and egregious mistakes he he has made, I will stand by the man. I still firmly believe he is one of the best presidents we have ever had. Both academically or athletically. Let me first say that I agree that he is one of the best presidents we have had. Being one of the best presidents we have ever had is both a very low bar and a ridiculously small sample size. As to him being a Marxist, I would not go quite that far; but he did publicly declare both his personal and the universities support of BLM, which is an organization that is firmly rooted in Marxist principles and led by people who are openly Marxist. That leaves us with only three possibilities. 1. He agrees with the Marxist principles of the organization he endorsed. 2. He believes that his alumni base and donor base agree with BLM. 3. He failed to do his due diligence and does not know that BLM is a Marxist organization. The first makes him at least a Marxist sympathizer. The second makes him out of touch with reality. The third makes him recklessly careless. In my opinion, any of the three are valid reasons for demanding he retire. Others may not agree with my assessment or my conclusions, but this is how I see it. I agree 💯. Time for a new president |
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Post by CajunT on Jul 18, 2020 3:11:44 GMT 14
So here’s another point of view: T’Joe is simply trying to rectify some terrible mistakes made in the past. He may not be perfect.......none of us are.....but his actions certainly do not make him a ‘Marxist.’ Until I hear, or can otherwise verify, some horrible and egregious mistakes he he has made, I will stand by the man. I still firmly believe he is one of the best presidents we have ever had. Both academically or athletically. Let me first say that I agree that he is one of the best presidents we have had. Being one of the best presidents we have ever had is both a very low bar and a ridiculously small sample size. As to him being a Marxist, I would not go quite that far; but he did publicly declare both his personal and the universities support of BLM, which is an organization that is firmly rooted in Marxist principles and led by people who are openly Marxist. That leaves us with only three possibilities. 1. He agrees with the Marxist principles of the organization he endorsed. 2. He believes that his alumni base and donor base agree with BLM. 3. He failed to do his due diligence and does not know that BLM is a Marxist organization. The first makes him at least a Marxist sympathizer. The second makes him out of touch with reality. The third makes him recklessly careless. In my opinion, any of the three are valid reasons for demanding he retire. Others may not agree with my assessment or my conclusions, but this is how I see it. This seems to be the overall theme of yesterdays meeting. Let me also say I don't believe Dr. Savoie is a bad person, but he certainly came off ambivalent towards the motives of BLM. He stated he does not support an organization that has murdered police officers and innocent people, but at the same time denies there are some beliefs when it comes to education, decolonization and white sensitivity training that crossover. He tried his best to spin it, but failed to convince the majority of benefactors in the meeting that this is the right direction for the university to take at this time. He was not given any ultimatums, but was simply asked to walk some of his initial statement back. He politely declined and said that he will let things settle right now and make no further comments. So what's next for a number of major benefactors going forward? First, none of us know where the majority stand right now other than the pulse taken after this meeting. But there certainly were some major donors in attendance, including several in the Top 10 historically in donations. None of these people want to see the university hurt, but will make their decisions privately without discussion in the media or any message board. And for that reason, I will not name people or least the ones I know that attended the meeting. Now this doesn't take in account the many phone calls and emails Dr. Savoie has received from other supporters. He did mention many were negative towards the statements he has made and will not support athletics and academics at prior giving levels. The results of the meeting were clear after speaking with each other afterwards in phone conversations and texts messages. They will no longer support UL athletics and academics at their prior levels, if at all. A number of them have kept this years minimum levels for football tickets and baseball tickets, but there will be no more giving to RCAF and academics going forward. There are several other major donors that could not make the meeting and had requested their own personal meetings with Dr. Savoie, as of last night both have canceled their meetings after speaking with donors that attended yesterdays meetings. This is all the time I have today, but it's clear that moving forward the impact of Dr Savoie's actions will make it very difficult for Dr. Blohm, Dr. Maggard and RCAF to raise funds for the university. This happened before during the Jerry Baldwin debacle and it took us a number of years to recover. The most discouraging thought for me at this time, is we have the most qualified athletic director and best head football coach in place in the history of this university and it looks like this program will begin to decline under the weight of poor leadership and vision at the top, and serious deficits in fundraising. |
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Post by ManAboutTown on Jul 18, 2020 3:39:22 GMT 14
Let me first say that I agree that he is one of the best presidents we have had. Being one of the best presidents we have ever had is both a very low bar and a ridiculously small sample size. As to him being a Marxist, I would not go quite that far; but he did publicly declare both his personal and the universities support of BLM, which is an organization that is firmly rooted in Marxist principles and led by people who are openly Marxist. That leaves us with only three possibilities. 1. He agrees with the Marxist principles of the organization he endorsed. 2. He believes that his alumni base and donor base agree with BLM. 3. He failed to do his due diligence and does not know that BLM is a Marxist organization. The first makes him at least a Marxist sympathizer. The second makes him out of touch with reality. The third makes him recklessly careless. In my opinion, any of the three are valid reasons for demanding he retire. Others may not agree with my assessment or my conclusions, but this is how I see it. This seems to be the overall theme of yesterdays meeting. Let me also say I don't believe Dr. Savoie is a bad person, but he certainly came off ambivalent towards the motives of BLM. He stated he does not support an organization that has murdered police officers and innocent people, but at the same time denies there are some beliefs when it comes to education, decolonization and white sensitivity training that crossover. He tried his best to spin it, but failed to convince the majority of benefactors in the meeting that this is the right direction for the university to take at this time. He was not given any ultimatums, but was simply asked to walk some of his initial statement back. He politely declined and said that he will let things settle right now and make no further comments. So what's next for a number of major benefactors going forward? First, none of us know where the majority stand right now other than the pulse taken after this meeting. But there certainly were some major donors in attendance, including several in the Top 10 historically in donations. None of these people want to see the university hurt, but will make their decisions privately without discussion in the media or any message board. And for that reason, I will not name people or least the ones I know that attended the meeting. Now this doesn't take in account the many phone calls and emails Dr. Savoie has received from other supporters. He did mention many were negative towards the statements he has made and will not support athletics and academics at prior giving levels. The results of the meeting were clear after speaking with each other afterwards in phone conversations and texts messages. They will no longer support UL athletics and academics at their prior levels, if at all. A number of them have kept this years minimum levels for football tickets and baseball tickets, but there will be no more giving to RCAF and academics going forward. There are several other major donors that could not make the meeting and had requested their own personal meetings with Dr. Savoie, as of last night both have canceled their meetings after speaking with donors that attended yesterdays meetings. This is all the time I have today, but it's clear that moving forward the impact of Dr Savoie's actions will make it very difficult for Dr. Blohm, Dr. Maggard and RCAF to raise funds for the university. This happened before during the Jerry Baldwin debacle and it took us a number of years to recover. The most discouraging thought for me at this time, is we have the most qualified athletic director and best head football coach in place in the history of this university and it looks like this program will begin to decline under the weight of poor leadership and vision at the top, and serious deficits in fundraising. For me, the biggest disappointment with this entire thing is the timing. Our community is reeling from O&G decline, COVID and previous state budget woes. Why on earth would you give people a reason to question their loyalty or financial obligation to our University? I can promise you, folks are already looking to cut spending around here. |
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Post by RedTails on Jul 18, 2020 3:41:09 GMT 14
Can someone fill me in on what Dr. Savoie did in regard to BLM that has donors pulling funding?
This was my feeling, without even knowing of any offence given.
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Post by cajunvic on Jul 18, 2020 3:44:40 GMT 14
It is really a sad day when one individual chose to make ill advised decisions and for all practical purposes stuck a pin in a balloon that had the potential to fly so high. Very disappointing.
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Post by thefan on Jul 18, 2020 4:14:12 GMT 14
Let me first say that I agree that he is one of the best presidents we have had. Being one of the best presidents we have ever had is both a very low bar and a ridiculously small sample size. As to him being a Marxist, I would not go quite that far; but he did publicly declare both his personal and the universities support of BLM, which is an organization that is firmly rooted in Marxist principles and led by people who are openly Marxist. That leaves us with only three possibilities. 1. He agrees with the Marxist principles of the organization he endorsed. 2. He believes that his alumni base and donor base agree with BLM. 3. He failed to do his due diligence and does not know that BLM is a Marxist organization. The first makes him at least a Marxist sympathizer. The second makes him out of touch with reality. The third makes him recklessly careless. In my opinion, any of the three are valid reasons for demanding he retire. Others may not agree with my assessment or my conclusions, but this is how I see it. This seems to be the overall theme of yesterdays meeting. Let me also say I don't believe Dr. Savoie is a bad person, but he certainly came off ambivalent towards the motives of BLM. He stated he does not support an organization that has murdered police officers and innocent people, but at the same time denies there are some beliefs when it comes to education, decolonization and white sensitivity training that crossover. He tried his best to spin it, but failed to convince the majority of benefactors in the meeting that this is the right direction for the university to take at this time. He was not given any ultimatums, but was simply asked to walk some of his initial statement back. He politely declined and said that he will let things settle right now and make no further comments. So what's next for a number of major benefactors going forward? First, none of us know where the majority stand right now other than the pulse taken after this meeting. But there certainly were some major donors in attendance, including several in the Top 10 historically in donations. None of these people want to see the university hurt, but will make their decisions privately without discussion in the media or any message board. And for that reason, I will not name people or least the ones I know that attended the meeting. Now this doesn't take in account the many phone calls and emails Dr. Savoie has received from other supporters. He did mention many were negative towards the statements he has made and will not support athletics and academics at prior giving levels. The results of the meeting were clear after speaking with each other afterwards in phone conversations and texts messages. They will no longer support UL athletics and academics at their prior levels, if at all. A number of them have kept this years minimum levels for football tickets and baseball tickets, but there will be no more giving to RCAF and academics going forward. There are several other major donors that could not make the meeting and had requested their own personal meetings with Dr. Savoie, as of last night both have canceled their meetings after speaking with donors that attended yesterdays meetings. This is all the time I have today, but it's clear that moving forward the impact of Dr Savoie's actions will make it very difficult for Dr. Blohm, Dr. Maggard and RCAF to raise funds for the university. This happened before during the Jerry Baldwin debacle and it took us a number of years to recover. The most discouraging thought for me at this time, is we have the most qualified athletic director and best head football coach in place in the history of this university and it looks like this program will begin to decline under the weight of poor leadership and vision at the top, and serious deficits in fundraising. Thats very discouraging to hear. |
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Post by Duckster on Jul 18, 2020 4:31:28 GMT 14
Thanks for the update T. What other recourse do we have? Money talks. When an organization becomes out of alignment with its 'customers' a multitude of minor failures occur leading up to a much larger setback. The University needs to become better aligned with our community, its benefactors, alumni, not the other way around. Whether intentional or not, it reflects an institutional arrogance. We cant afford that. Why bump up or maintain your donor level when your values or sensibilities are being trounced upon? It's a really ashamed doesn't have to be this way. Hoping for a course correction.
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Post by cajunvic on Jul 18, 2020 4:40:02 GMT 14
The university learned nothing from the manner in which the FDonaldTrump video was handled. How can one in power be so naïve?
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Post by cajun4life on Jul 18, 2020 4:50:29 GMT 14
It is really a sad day when one individual chose to make ill advised decisions and for all practical purposes stuck a pin in a balloon that had the potential to fly so high. Very disappointing. It wasn’t just Savoie, it was all the liberal arts colleges. |
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Post by cajunvic on Jul 18, 2020 4:55:37 GMT 14
It is really a sad day when one individual chose to make ill advised decisions and for all practical purposes stuck a pin in a balloon that had the potential to fly so high. Very disappointing. It wasn’t just Savoie, it was all the liberal arts colleges. I doubt that any of them are allowed to publicly take that position without the stamp of the president. The buck stops there. |
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Post by zeppelincajun on Jul 18, 2020 5:10:23 GMT 14
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Post by zeppelincajun on Jul 18, 2020 5:12:52 GMT 14
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Post by zeppelincajun on Jul 18, 2020 5:13:42 GMT 14
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Post by zeppelincajun on Jul 18, 2020 5:14:31 GMT 14
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Post by zeppelincajun on Jul 18, 2020 5:15:42 GMT 14
I believe the meeting was held earlier today. Some news will be available later today. I will post what I find out tomorrow morning. Should be interesting! Well let’s see if he is a leader of men or a politician. I’m willing to be he is the latter. If this goes wrong, some very big money will be headed East. Both academically and athletically. Boy would that be ironic |
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